I tested and compared the 2016 Bosch and Yamaha electric bikes (Haibike XDURO and SDURO models) and was able to take a detailed look at the motors, batteries, display units and chargers off the bikes. What I found is that the combined motor and battery weight for both systems is exactly the same at 14.1 lbs and that with the Bosch CX Gen 3 unit the torque was very similar to Yamaha but offered a wider range of supported pedal speeds (higher range of powered cadence). Each system has four levels of assist but they vary slightly.
Bosch Performance Line CX, Gen 3 for 2016:
– 250 watts to 350 watts power output
– 75 Newton meters of torque (60 Nm on non CX motor)
– 36 volt 11 amp hour Powerpack 400 battery
– 2.2 amp charger weighing 1.7 lbs (0.77 kg)
– 8.8 lb (4 kg) motor, 5.3 lb (2.4 kg) battery, 14.1 lb (6.4 kg) total
– 16T or 18T sprocket
– Assist levels: Eco: 50%, Tour: 120%, Sport: 190%, Turbo: 275%, CX motor: (Sport: 210%, Turbo: 300%)
Yamaha 2016 electric bike system:
– 250 watts to 500 watts power output
– 80 Newton meters of torque
– 36 volt 11 amp hour battery
– 4 amp charger weighing 2 lbs (0.91 kg)
– 7.6 lb (3.45 kg) motor, 6.5 lb (2.95 kg) battery, 14.1 lb (6.4 kg) total
– 38T sprocket
– Assist levels: Eco+: 50%, Eco: 100%, Std: 180%, High: 280%
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I would also take a 28 MPH Bosch kit if you could direct me where to purchase.
Do you know where I can buy a complete Yamaha drive kit to install on one of my bikes? I have the Haibike 6.5 (BECAUSE I WATCHED YOUR 6.0 VIDEO, SO ASK FOR YOUR COMMISSION) with the yamaha drive unit and I love it. Thank you for doing such a wonderful job.
cost ?????
I can't wait to get my new Giant Road bike next month , Yamaha mid drive , but if I don't like it , I'll go to Bosch !
Why….just why?
You are a pleasure to listen to,thanks bro !
In Off Mode with the Bosch CX you feel a resistance on the pedals. Does the Yamaha or Shimano mid drive motors have this same problem ? Is Bosch going to fix this problem ?
How come you don't address such an important issue in any of your Youtube videos ?
Great vid helped me a lot
Bosch is way better!!!! hence the price points!!!!
Could you please do one of a comparison between the Bosche and Shimano Steps?
Can you do an update on Bosch vs Yamaha Motors/Drive System? Maybe in 2018?
I have a Bosch performance CX I actually bought the 2016 Easy Motion Bosch Jumper 27.5 that EBR did a review of (the actual bike). Love it, great system. What he says about the displays is true, I crashed and it did get a bit beat up. Highly recommend a screen protector film.
1:00 into it and the Yamaha is already winning. i never took an interest in ebikes before… until i saw the giant. i like the idea of making you work for it but still reap the benefits.
my big concern is the cold(winter). gets to -40C where I'm from. i know the lithium batteries in my cordless tools can't handle being left in the garage overnight during the winter months. it ruins them. how do these bikes handle the cold?
guys. can i just buy this motor and install on my mountain bicycle?
any price comparison between the two sets?
Good work !
Mid drives on e-bikes has become prevalent. I have built 12 e-bikes, some with mid drives, but most with hub motors. The best in my opinion….hub drive, 24" rear wheel, 40 amp controller, and a battery system made up of 9 removable dewalt 20 volt batteries, custom made rack. 3 in series for 60 volts, and three in parallel for 15 amp/hrs. Anyone playing with e-bikes knows that the battery is the "weak link." I have been rocking this setup for five years- no down time, 0. If a battery gets weak, replace the one bad pack….much cheaper to maintain. Still haven't lost one yet. Two speed " Metropolis" crankset, single chainline, no derailliers to adjust. Regen braking for rear, hydraulic four piston brake up front with a 203 mm rotor. 24" rear wheel gives killer torque, 60 km/hr top speed, thanks to the higher voltage, with great range. And reliabilty, never has it left me pushing. One key advantage to hub motors. They run Forever with proper installation.
Thank you for making this video. I bought the Yamaha system and the only thing I hate about it is I have to shift up when stopping on a red light. Also shifting can kill the drive train if you are not careful. With the bosch I hated the noise it was making. I think I would go with the Yamaha as it's a lot cheaper. None of them is perfect.
Are you Owen Wilson?
This review is so missing the Brose! I tried the Brose back to back with the Bosch and it was smooth, it was kinda like the Bosch in so many regards but noticeably less power. You really notice the power of the Bosch on the start, hold on to you hat! Also, on the steepest uphill I could find, I tried to pull a wheely with the Brose, didn't work so good. With the Bosch I ended up doing the longest wheelie I've even done in my life. I like the Bosch way more than the Brose, but I like the Levo a lot as well. Though call. Going to try the Yammy next week, i'm all about fast cadence so i'm guessing I wont like it. Please review the Brose man!
Excellent review, very informative for when it was produced but viewing this in April 2017 and Yamaha just releasing a new motor that will hopefully address some of the problems you highlighted?
hi bro…dmn bs beli
I need one set
These bikes seem woefully underpowered
In these cases, how many of them like me had their DVT/PE a few wekas after a long flight. Real question, when will something be done about adequate seating and leg room to help passengers avoid the life threatening problems of DVT/PE?
No doubt the best reviews on electric bikes. You know your stuff.
youtube pro, thanks for the movie!
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i like the Bosch.
I like the backpack cam